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« Pergjigju #15 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 08:58:07 MD »
^ Nice you got more  :)

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« Pergjigju #16 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 09:06:08 MD »
I hope Ive done it right:


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« Pergjigju #17 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 09:16:55 MD »
I dont identify with Illyrians or their culture though. I dont even know anything about them. I wish we knew more. If they were like North East Slavs then I dont want anything to do with them. I always thought they were Mediterranean people.

I agree. I didnt really wanna match this thing either when i saw that. but it seems proto Albs were like some balto slavic people or even germanic proposed by some. They basically seem to of been a minority that asimilated indigenous people or something so this not a historical ilyrian but most likely a proto if anything.

I also prefer meds or even whg... steppe people were the last to enter Europe.

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« Pergjigju #18 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 09:19:46 MD »
I hope Ive done it right:



Yeah you did it right, but i used 40 snps minimum threshold which gives me more but with 50 you get more, i got 2nd highest after you though.

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 25 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM


Chr   Start Location   End Location   Centimorgans (cM)   SNPs
1   203,537,754   229,529,479   28.2   68
3   48,247,540   66,916,127   21.8   59
6   36,434,276   99,801,215   50.4   121
9   79,314,723   109,603,853   36.9   88
10   10,645,772   24,832,824   22.1   54
10   80,178,906   97,950,983   17.4   63
12   71,301,184   114,322,244   44.7   95
15   35,859,641   62,239,375   28.0   57
17   17,616,003   49,452,975   31.0   57
22   31,034,377   49,308,931   40.7   76
Largest segment = 50.4 cM
Total of segments > 2 cM = 321.3 cM
10 matching segments

6946 SNPs used for this comparison.

Comparison took 0.02856 seconds.
« Redaktimi i Fundit: Korrik 12, 2017, 09:21:25 MD nga Al »

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« Pergjigju #19 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 09:45:25 MD »
I dont identify with Illyrians or their culture though. I dont even know anything about them. I wish we knew more. If they were like North East Slavs then I dont want anything to do with them. I always thought they were Mediterranean people.
Illyrians seems have been hugely influenced genetically from steppe people but not exactly from Slavs, they were separated from different time period.

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« Pergjigju #20 Me: Korrik 12, 2017, 10:01:50 MD »
Proto-Illyrians seem to resemble more northern Europeans due to them being fresh off the Steppe. Albanians seem to be a mix of Balkan natives and these proto-Illyrians. This sample also has a low SNP count so its not too accurate. I personally prefer WHG/Paleolithic/Mesolithic  and Neolithic admix over Steppe idk why though but Steppe is still cool

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« Pergjigju #21 Me: Korrik 13, 2017, 06:56:37 MD »
Proto Albanians were basically like Balts.

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« Pergjigju #22 Me: Korrik 13, 2017, 09:39:29 MD »
Proto Albanians were basically like Balts.
The ancestors of Albanians were but proto-Albanians developed in the Balkans so they were Neolithic admixed like today

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« Pergjigju #23 Me: Korrik 13, 2017, 10:02:46 MD »
The ancestors of Albanians were but proto-Albanians developed in the Balkans so they were Neolithic admixed like today
Actually definition of ancestors usually defines the paternal history not the maternal one (majority seem to have been neolithic and non-IE origin) if your talking about cultural contribution then we should agree that people who transplanted the language into our ethnogenesis were more like Balts and clearly from steppe......At end of the day most of our admixture and y-dna contribution comes from neolithic farmers.

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« Pergjigju #24 Me: Korrik 13, 2017, 10:03:27 MD »
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« Pergjigju #25 Me: Korrik 13, 2017, 11:19:14 MD »
The ancestors of Albanians were but proto-Albanians developed in the Balkans so they were Neolithic admixed like today

Proto Albanian to me is same as proto Ilyrian.
« Redaktimi i Fundit: Korrik 13, 2017, 11:20:54 MD nga Al »

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« Pergjigju #26 Me: Janar 30, 2018, 02:55:07 MD »
I dont understand why we keep calling the bronze age steppe newcomers proto-illyrians. It does not make sense.
The illyrians were the people reffered to by the ancient greeks. The people living in the western balkans.
Proto just means "first". That means that proto-illyrians just means the first(early) Illyrians. That means that neither the balkan neolithic population or the newcoming steppe population are proto-illyrians. Proto-illyrians are rather the result of intermixing between the newcomers and the older populations.

The term Illyrian does not only contain lingustic cultural elements, but also other cultural elements like apparel(plis and other wool-clothes), farming techniques, metal-working techniques, morality, martial styles, alliances, religion.

All these things were part of an illyrian identity(or illyrian identities). And as long as we dont know whether we got these elements from the neolothic population or the steppe ones, we cant justify calling the steppe newcomers proto-illyrians.
The neolithics could have given just as many elements to illyrian(and later albanian) culture, as the steppe people. Even more in my opinion, as the neolithics were more complex.

Even the language can be a mix. It does not necessarily have to be a steppe language. The words can be steppe derived, but many things like syntax and phonology can be of neolithic descent. Just like south slavic today use slavic words, but many of the sounds and syntaxs are of a pre-slavic balkanic origin.

Just the fact that we albanians have something like 50-65% neolithic genes, makes it hard to believe that those people did not have a say in how the newly founded illyrian culture would turn out within a couple of hundreds/thousands of years of intermixing
« Redaktimi i Fundit: Janar 30, 2018, 11:34:18 MD nga ernesti »

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« Pergjigju #27 Me: Janar 30, 2018, 03:58:14 MD »
^ I agree 100%