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« Reply #780 on: January 10, 2019, 07:04:07 PM »
Ne Ftdna ka pas shkrujt "Kuci Rozaje?", por tashti e ka heq.

A e mban mend kur e ke pare kete info? Sot, dje, apo me heret?

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« Reply #781 on: January 10, 2019, 07:13:39 PM »
A e mban mend kur e ke pare kete info? Sot, dje, apo me heret?
Ma heret, kur ishte hala ne testim.

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« Reply #782 on: January 10, 2019, 07:18:36 PM »
Ka qene shenuar gabimisht atehere :). Edhe pse ndoshta mund te kete lidhje me ate zone, po per momentin nuk kemi dijeni.
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« Reply #783 on: January 10, 2019, 07:41:29 PM »
Ka qene shenuar gabimisht atehere :). Edhe pse ndoshta mund te kete lidhje me ate zone, po per momentin nuk kemi dijeni.
Po. Nuk mundem me gjete asnji cope informat per fisin apo familjen e ti. 

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« Reply #784 on: January 11, 2019, 02:52:12 PM »
I am curious whether I match these other Albanian L1029 distantly as I do some other L1029 that are German, Polish Scandinavian etc. I know they aren't part of our cluster but do they match in a general sense?

Keta Skandinavian, German etj matches duhet te jen larg sikurse edhe krejt tjere matches ce i ki nen R-L1029* (TMRCA 2000 vjet) perveq atyre qe bine nen "Dibra cluster" ata i ki me ngat.

Gjithashtu edhe ky Shqiptari i ri nen L1029, nese nuke eshte dibra cluster edhe nese nuke ndani donje novel SNP mund te supozojsh ce eshte larg deri te 2000 vjet sikurse edhe krejt tjere.

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« Reply #785 on: January 12, 2019, 05:20:02 PM »
Keta Skandinavian, German etj matches duhet te jen larg sikurse edhe krejt tjere matches ce i ki nen R-L1029* (TMRCA 2000 vjet) perveq atyre qe bine nen "Dibra cluster" ata i ki me ngat.

Gjithashtu edhe ky Shqiptari i ri nen L1029, nese nuke eshte dibra cluster edhe nese nuke ndani donje novel SNP mund te supozojsh ce eshte larg deri te 2000 vjet sikurse edhe krejt tjere.

Yes, you're right. I was a little confused. Figured its impossible for me not to be related to other L1029 since we share a common ancestor. Yet, of course that ancestor is quite far(2000-2100ypb). Someone mentioned in Eupedia via email to me that there are 3 or 4 samples from a study, 3 from Bulgaria and 1 from Croatia. They supposedly had only one or 2 of the STRs characteristic of the Diber cluster. Suggesting they represent an ancestor split prior to the Albanian founder effect. Yet the STRs tested were too few, and so, could potentially not be a match at all. If they were they would represent the closest matches after the Dibra cluster. Can't be confirmed sadly. Much the same as we can't find the surname of the Tosk and Gheg from that Albanian study who matched the Dibra cluster.
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« Reply #786 on: January 12, 2019, 07:12:44 PM »
Yes, you're right. I was a little confused. Figured its impossible for me not to be related to other L1029 since we share a common ancestor. Yet, of course that ancestor is quite far(2000-2100ypb). Someone mentioned in Eupedia via email to me that there are 3 or 4 samples from a study, 3 from Bulgaria and 1 from Croatia. They supposedly had only one or 2 of the STRs characteristic of the Diber cluster. Suggesting they represent an ancestor split prior to the Albanian founder effect. Yet the STRs tested were too few, and so, could potentially not be a match at all. If they were they would represent the closest matches after the Dibra cluster. Can't be confirmed sadly. Much the same as we can't find the surname of the Tosk and Gheg from that Albanian study who matched the Dibra cluster.

Yes you are connected to all R1-L1029 the same way thru MRCA of 2000 years.
What was probably confusing you is that you are temporary put in group L1029* (note the asterisk sign) with some germans and norwegian but that is only temporary classification until your further group will be confirmed and assigned.

For you to confirm your group, another "Dibra cluster" would have to upload on Yfull. Then probably you would be grouped in separate group with him, where you will probably have group standing something as: formed 2000 ybp, TMRCA 1300 years.

That group would probably be brother clade to R-YP6064, R-FGC66325, R-YP46467, R-YP416, R-YP593, and so on..

As you can see most of these groups are formed 2000 to 1800 years with TMRCA up to 2000 years. Dibra cluster is brother clade to all these groups where they all share same ancestor L1029 in the last 2000 years. What that means is before 2000 years L1029 separated into many clades and "dibra cluster" is one of them.

Lets put it this way to be most understandable: 2000 years ago, L1029 had many sons as already mentioned  R-YP6064, R-FGC66325, R-YP46467, R-YP416, R-YP593, and so on.. Dibra cluster is one of his sons where all of them share same father R1a-L1029 who lived 2000 years ago. 

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« Reply #787 on: January 12, 2019, 07:48:03 PM »
Yes you are connected to all R1-L1029 the same way thru MRCA of 2000 years.
What was probably confusing you is that you are temporary put in group L1029* (note the asterisk sign) with some germans and norwegian but that is only temporary classification until your further group will be confirmed and assigned.

For you to confirm your group, another "Dibra cluster" would have to upload on Yfull. Then probably you would be grouped in separate group with him, where you will probably have group standing something as: formed 2000 ybp, TMRCA 1300 years.

That group would probably be brother clade to R-YP6064, R-FGC66325, R-YP46467, R-YP416, R-YP593, and so on..

As you can see most of these groups are formed 2000 to 1800 years with TMRCA up to 2000 years. Dibra cluster is brother clade to all these groups where they all share same ancestor L1029 in the last 2000 years. What that means is before 2000 years L1029 separated into many clades and "dibra cluster" is one of them.

Lets put it this way to be most understandable: 2000 years ago, L1029 had many sons as already mentioned  R-YP6064, R-FGC66325, R-YP46467, R-YP416, R-YP593, and so on.. Dibra cluster is one of his sons where all of them share same father R1a-L1029 who lived 2000 years ago.


The closest relatives of the Dibra cluster as far as I understand are as follows(as these clusters are all nearest to L1029* and part of M458 B-Western clusters;

M458-B Western
YP263 (CTS11962.1>L1029>YP263)
FGC66343 (CTS11962.1>L1029>FGC66343)
YP444 (CTS11962.1>L1029>YP444)
L1029* (CTS11962.1>L1029>L1029*)

My Dibra cluster should be somewhere downstream L1029*, with a possible ancestor upstream prior to the founder effect.

Well Dibra cluster is a group of 8 SNPs that define the Albanian founding father who likely had this collection of SNPs. I would imagine the forefather of the Dibra cluster would be he which was a son that split from L1029. So, theoretically there should be split prior to the Dibra cluster that still represented the Sklaveni tribe which eventually was absorbed forming the Dibra cluster.

The brother clades under L1029 are all collectively found between Germany and Poland. So either the Slavic forefather was L1029* and through some generations formed the Dibra Cluster. Or the Slavic forefather was some clade upstream the Dibra cluster that splits it. In order for this to be the case there should be a matching of perhaps one SNP between the Dibra Cluster and its upstream forefather. I assume thats some idea of how it works. lol

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« Reply #788 on: January 12, 2019, 08:20:47 PM »
A thu se ky asht me origjine nga Kelmendi? Ne Martinaj me sa di une jane shprengul vllaznite Hasangjekaj, Prelvukaj, dhe Lecaj nga Vukli, por nuk e di nga ku jane ardh kta Ramovi. Ne Martinaj me sa di une ka vetem Kelmendas. Nga ana gjenetike ky nuk asht Kelmendas por Kucas.

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« Reply #789 on: January 12, 2019, 08:26:37 PM »

The closest relatives of the Dibra cluster as far as I understand are as follows(as these clusters are all nearest to L1029* and part of M458 B-Western clusters;

M458-B Western
YP263 (CTS11962.1>L1029>YP263)
FGC66343 (CTS11962.1>L1029>FGC66343)
YP444 (CTS11962.1>L1029>YP444)
L1029* (CTS11962.1>L1029>L1029*)

Where did you pull this from? Its not correct as i explained you in previous post. I can reply to you in your R1a thread.

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« Reply #790 on: January 13, 2019, 04:16:50 PM »
Where did you pull this from? Its not correct as i explained you in previous post. I can reply to you in your R1a thread.

Sure. you can reply in the R1a thread at depth if you will.

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« Reply #791 on: February 05, 2019, 03:51:04 AM »
Njembedhjete rezultate te reja (E1b)

- Mucka. Pogradec, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>Paspecifikuar

- Godaj. Gjorm, Vlore, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>Paspecifikuar

- Pingulli. Ngracan, Mallakaster, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>CTS5856>Z5017>BY4684 (Z19851-)

- Dhima. Kolonje, Korce, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461

- Qefalia. Priske, Tirane, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461>BY4463

- Latifi, fisi Berisha. Vushtrri, Kosove.
E1b-V13>Z5018>FGC33625>Berisha-Sopi Cluster

- Hiseni, fisi Berisha. Llashtice, Gjilan, Kosove.
E1b-V13>Z5018>FGC33625>Berisha-Sopi Cluster

- Daliu, fisi Sopi. Presheve, Serbi.
E1b-V13>Z5018>FGC33625>Berisha-Sopi Cluster

- Asllanaj. Golem, Kurvelesh, Gjirokaster, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>Z5018>FGC11450>Y146086

- Kiri, fisi Kiri. Kir, Pult, Shkoder, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>Z5018>L241>General

- Mali. Zamner/Boville, Tirane, Shqiperi.
E1b-M123>M34>M84>FGC18353

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« Reply #792 on: February 05, 2019, 02:45:09 PM »
11 rezultate të reja (J2, J1):

• Osmani. Maminas, Shijak: J2b-L283>Z1296>?

• Iljazi. Përcë, Tetovë: J2b-L283>>PH2967>PH1751

• Mitri. Lushnjë: J2b-L283>>PH2967>PH1751

• Vata, fis Shkreli. Ducaj, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283>>Y23094>Y82533

• Kapllaj, fis Shkreli. Dedaj, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283>>Y23094>Y82533

• Çukaj, fis Shkreli. Dedaj, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283>>Y23094>Y82533

• Gashi, fis Gashi. Suharekë, Kosovë: J1-M267>Y19093

• Ruli. Libohovë, Gjirokastër: J1-M267>P58

• Serafimovski. Tetovë (origjina Korçë): J1-M267>P58

• Cana. Rahovec, Kosovë: J1-M267>P58

• Xheli. Këlcyrë, Përmet: J2a-M67>Z467>Z6274

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« Reply #793 on: February 05, 2019, 06:35:21 PM »
Njembedhjete rezultate te reja (E1b)
- Kiri, fisi Kiri. Kir, Pult, Shkoder, Shqiperi.
E1b-V13>Z5018>L241>General
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A asht ky nga Kiri afer me Kuqin nga Drenica? Nji pjese i Kirit thojne ca rrjedhin nga Kuqi(Ndreka/Drekal), pjesa tjeter thojne ca jane ardhun nga Peja.

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« Reply #794 on: February 05, 2019, 07:25:05 PM »
A asht ky nga Kiri afer me Kuqin nga Drenica? Nji pjese i Kirit thojne ca rrjedhin nga Kuqi(Ndreka/Drekal), pjesa tjeter thojne ca jane ardhun nga Peja.

Nuk jane afer me Kuqin nga Drenica.
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